The name Eliam is only mentioned twice in the entire Bible, and both instances occur in 2 Samuel. If the historical David (peace be upon him) had indeed married Bathsheba at such a young age (without committing adultery), the marriage would not have been consummated until she was physically mature, which would have been at the onset of puberty. Both of them agreed to help. He didnt go down to his own house. God did not say that Uriah had sinned by marrying a 7-year old (in fact, he is always depicted as a loyal and unsuspecting victim of Davids treachery) OR that Davids sin was in having sexual intercourse with her because of her age. Or examples of sex slaves in the Bible (I remember Hagar and Jacobs slaves were used for sex to have babies). The Talmud states that Ahithophels age at the time of his death was a mere 33 years (since the sages considered 70 years to be the average lifespan). However, we can still estimate her age using the Biblical chronology. [a]ll the expressions used in this verse would probably be applicable to Ahithophel, and to the intimacy between him and David., This was also the conclusion of the classical Jewish sources, such as the Targums and the Talmud, as explained in, But it was thou,. [32] John Phillips, The John Phillips Commentary Series: Exploring Psalms: An Expository Commentary, Vol. 1055-1023.) Others may come to accept the evidence presented but will still attempt to downplay it. This is not the Muslims problem because we do not believe in the Bible as a reliable source of information. So, here is a summary about Ahithophel and his role during Davids reign: If Ahithophel was Bathshebas grandfather, then determining his approximate age would allow us to estimate Bathshebas age as well. Note that this is the most conservative estimate. He never kept time or season with God, and surely God will not keep or regard his time or season., In the Jewish account threescore years was the age of a man, and death at any time before that was looked upon as untimely, The more sins we do commit, the more we hasten our own death; because as the wise man saith, The fear of the Lord prolongeth days, but the years of the wicked shall be shortened (Pro 10:27); and the prophet David saith, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days; for sin is an epitomiser or shortener of everything: it consumes our wealth, it confines our liberty, it impeaches our health, and it abbreviates our life, and brings us speedily unto our grave., [61] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/wen/psalms-55.html#23, But shall be cut off by an untimely and violent death., David was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned forty years., Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty-two years.. [The Septuagint calls him Eliab. My wife was Mrs Wallace, and still is. Why is it assumed that a 3040 years old Ahithophel could not have a granddaughter? He had no pity for Bathshebas grandfather Ahithophel, Davids trusted friend and adviser, [16] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/dcc/2-samuel-15.html#1, Ahithophel (2 Samuel 15:12) was probably Bathshebas grandfather (2 Samuel 11:3; 2 Samuel 23:34)., [17] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bul/2-samuel-11.html#3. Ironically, the evidence comes from the life of her. According to the chronology of 2 Samuel 1315, two years had passed since Amnon had raped his half-sister Tamar (Absaloms sister),[70] when after killing Amnon, Absalom fled to Geshur, where he lived for 3 years. Webthe Judaism of Moses and David -- Messianic Redemption. Most, though not all, of the evidence for the age of marriage comes from outside the Bible (i.e., from outside scripture), which some Christians ignore because it is not inspired. Bathsheba, a name that to many, means seduction and sin, a name to remain unspoken! David didnt seduce Bathsheba; he raped her. As the Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Commentary, Jehoiadas life was protracted to unusual longevity. [49], Among the Jewish commentaries besides the Talmud and the Targums, Rashi also identified Ahithophel as the subject of the psalm,[50] and this was also the view of the Pirkei Avot.[51]. [67] Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that the average lifespan at the time was around 7080 years (note that this is a very generous assumption). The success of Absalom would probably have been fatal to Bath-sheba; it would certainly have barred Solomon, Ahithophels great-grandson, from the throne. for so we find with David, king of Israel, who learned from Ahitophel no more than two things, yet called him his master, his guide and his beloved friend, as it is said, But it was you, a man mine equal, my guide and my beloved friend (Psalms 55:14)., [52] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/psalms/55-23.htm, [53] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/psalms/55-23.htm, [54] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/gill/psalms/55.htm, [55] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jtc/psalms-55.html#23, [56] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/clarke/psalms/55.htm, So we find, if there be an appointed time to man upon earth, beyond which he cannot pass; yet he may so live as to provoke the justice of God to cut him off before he arrives at that period; yea, before he has reached half way to that limit. Indeed, the account in 2 Samuel 1517 shows a man who was quite active, thereby suggesting that he was not an old man. This illustrates that Ahithophel was probably a young man (Source: This brings us to the most crucial point of our academic journey of determining Ahithophels age. IT experts since 1997. Whenever I teach about the story of Davids sin against Bathsheba, I encourage my students to stand up for her. That Ahithophel had then a married grand-daughter is less probable than that there were in Israel two Eliams.[81]. Since this is now firmly established, we may ask what relevance it has in determining Bathshebas age at the time of her marriage to David. This is the thing that really hurt David, is that Absalom had turned against him., [35] https://www.studylight.org/commentary/psalms/55-13.html, as mine equal: i.e. As shown, David was declaring that those who had betrayed him and were trying to kill him will not live out half their days. The inevitable happened, and Bathsheba sent word to David that she was pregnant. 7 When Uriah came to him, David asked about the welfare of Joab and the army and how the battle was going. Practically, I have helped the authors of DTT website and after I have done that, Im gonna deal with websites like wikiIslam and answering islam. Rather, by the onset of puberty, they were adults and were treated as such. (LogOut/ He could have been as old as 11 years if we assume that the four years in 2 Samuel 15:7 refers to the time from Absaloms return from Geshur (2+3+2+4=11). 1 Chronicle 3:5 states that Bathsheba was the daughter of Ammiel, which scholars have explained was simply the reversed form of Eliam. They will vociferously deny that Bathsheba was around 7 years old (or perhaps as old as 9) when she first encountered David and they will deny that she was the granddaughter of Ahithophel. Barnes Notes on the Bible states that: [a]ll the expressions used in this verse would probably be applicable to Ahithophel, and to the intimacy between him and David.[29]. Both words signify my people is Gods. This son of Achitophel (chap. Then if you perceive in them sound judgement, release their property to them.[104]. As stated above, Saul was in his 70s when he died. And Ahithophel began to counsel Absalom on how to destroy David. The world was vastly different back then. shall not half their days; that is, shall be soon cut off, die in the flower of their age, come to an untimely end [] Absalom and Ahithophel came to tragic and unhappy ends; so did all the primitive persecutors, those cruel crafties.[55], Other commentators also explain the verse this way. One competing interpretation may be that the subject of the psalm was Sauls murderous overtures towards David. And do not give the weak-minded your property, which Allah has made a means of sustenance for you, but provide for them with it and clothe them and speak to them words of appropriate kindness. [13] Most commentaries also share this view, including Barnes Notes on the Bible,[14] Coffmans Commentaries on the Bible,[15] the Expository Notes by Dr. Thomas Constable,[16] E.W. [80] Some others do question the identification of Bathshebas father with Eliam the son of Ahithophel but do not provide concrete evidence. Accession Number: 14.40.651. David asked his servants In the case of Ahithophel, not only was his wise council rejected by Absalom (55:9), he also committed met a violent and untimely death by suicide (55:23). The Babylonian Talmud states that (emphasis ours): Bathsheba gave birth to Solomon when she was six, because a woman is stronger and can conceive at an earlier age. So 70 - 45 = 25 70 - 50 = 20 Solomon would be 20 to 25 affording him the opportunity to frustrate the counsel of Ahithophel (15:31-37). The ancient Jewish tradition preserved by Jerome (Qu. [72] Sometime after, probably 4 years (2 Samuel 15:7) after reconciling with his father David, Absalom began his rebellion. The oldest man in the Bible, after the patriarchs, was Jehoiada, who supposedly died at the age of 130 (2 Chronicles 24:15). However, this was clearly not the norm (even if true). Read 1 Corinthians 10:13. I am the author, and I have already debunked IC on Rebekah. Im sorry for making a claim that makes you think that I was criticizing Islam. 5. The Targum is, but thou Ahithophel; of whom the words are literally to be understood, and so they are in the Talmud (u); and mystically and typically of Judas. Yet, as with the attribution of the psalm to Ahithophel, the interpretation of verse 23 was largely unified among the commentators. [97] Finally, the Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological and Ecclesiastical Literature provides perhaps the best explanation (emphasis ours): Ahijah the Pelonite appears in 2 Samuel 23:34 as Eliam the son of Ahithophel the Gilonite, of which the former is a corruption; Ahijah forming the first part of Ahithophel, annd [sic] Pelonite and Gilonite differing only by and [98]. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Son of Ahithophel the Gilonite, and one of Davids heroes ( 2 Samuel 23:34 ). As far as I am aware, this evidence has not been discussed before in Muslim-Christian debates, so it is completely new (though it is not a new discovery). By the way, can you visit my website and comment below about what you think of my articles? If we read 2 Samuel 12, when Nathan the prophet came to David, he provided the parable of the rich man and the poor man as a way to trap David into confessing his sin. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Im not a non-Muslim. [81] https://www.biblestudytools.com/encyclopedias/isbe/ahithophel.html, [82] https://www.biblestudytools.com/concordances/naves-topical-bible/eliam.html, [83] https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/eastons-bible-dictionary/eliam.html, [84] https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/ats/a/ahithophel.html. Yet, this objection is based on some flawed premises: why is it assumed that Ahithophel needed to be older than David? 25:3). However, this does not fit well due to the contradiction between Sauls age at the time of his death and Davids prophecy in Psalm 55:23. The man said, She is Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite.. [5] Thus, Ahitophel was Bathshebas grandfather. Log in. Since Bathsheba could not have been older than 20 at the time (since Ahithophel was 39 years old and Eliam was probably in his late 20s), which means that at the time of Solomons birth, she was between 911 years old, with 11 being the conservative estimate based on the conservative estimate for Solomons age (9 years). Ironically, from an Islamic point of view, marriage at such a young age is prohibited (unless Bathsheba had somehow entered puberty as such an early age and was both socially and physically mature, which is unlikely). 34,) was one of Davids valiant men, [92] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bul/2-samuel-11.html#3, Eliam. This was also the conclusion of the classical Jewish sources, such as the Targums and the Talmud, as explained in Gills Exposition of the Entire Bible: But it was thou,. Thus, they were following the Jewish customs of the time, which included marriage at around 12 years of age for girls. Bath-sheba was the granddaughter of Ahithophel 2 Samuel 23:34., [90] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jtc/2-samuel-11.html#3, [91] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/hcc/2-samuel-11.html#3, By a transposition of letters, he is called Ammiel, in 1 Paralipomenon iii. Part of the reason for some Christians denial about child marriage in the Bible is that the Bible does not mention any specific age at which marriage could occur. No, this is not a tu quoque fallacy, which is defined as: an informal fallacy that intends to discredit the opponents argument by asserting the opponents failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s).[79]. Rather, Ahithophel must be the close friend, since he was Davids counselor. (Now she had been purifying herself after her monthly period.) He was the grandfather of Bathsheba.[69]. By the way, Im not a non-Muslim, but a Sunni Muslim and I apologize if I have by mistake made these allegations. In fact, the first son born to David and Bathsheba died a week after birth, as brought out in 2 Samuel 12:15 Psychologist Dr. Robert Epstein has made the controversial suggestion that young people, regardless of how young, should be allowed to make decisions about marriage and sex provided that they demonstrate that he or she knows about the risks of sexis physically and emotionally mature, and so on[99] He also suggests that they should have to pass one or more appropriate competency tests. 24. The Shocking Truth About Bathshebas Marriage to David in the Note that this estimate is higher than the age assigned to Ahithophel by the Jewish sages. All which agrees to Achitophel., [47] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/whe/psalms-55.html#13, From this rapid survey of the general calamity, David turns to the chief supporter of the rebellion, his former chief counsellor, Ahithophel. How could they both be alive in 1 Chronicles 27 when Ahithophel supposedly committed suicide in 2 Samuel 17? Based on the example of Barzillai, 80 years seems to have been the upper limit of life in Davids time. No age is mentioned, but We can see from the example of Barzillai that people could have lived into their 80s at that time, but this seems to have been the upper limit. The Targum is, but thou Ahithophel; of whom the words are literally to be understood, and so they are in the Talmud (u); and mystically and typically of Judas[30], Other commentaries, such as those of Matthew Poole,[31] John Phillips,[32] C. H. Spurgeon,[33] Chuck Smith,[34] E.W. Since David died when he was 70 years old, it means that he was 50 years old when Bathsheba (911 years old) gave birth to Solomon. 11-18), God says of the future Israelite kings, he will take.. Moreover, I showed that when Jesus was a 12-year old boy, his parents took him to the Passover festival, as the law required for boys his age. In his commentary, Ibn Kathir stated that the age of marriage coincides with the age of puberty. word was brought to him [David] that Ahithophel had gone over to the side of Absalom, [49] https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/eastons-bible-dictionary/ahithophel.html, brother of insipidity or impiety, a man greatly renowned for his sagacity among the Jews. Thus, Bathsheba could have been around 12-14 years old at the time of the birth of Solomon, which means that she was around 10-12 years old at the time David first encountered her. A minority of scholars questioned the application of the psalm to Ahithophel. Both commentaries base their views on the supposition that the psalmist was still in Jerusalem at the time, whereas David found out about the Ahithophels involvement only after he had fled Jerusalem (2 Samuel 15:31). WebDavid in His Old Age. 9 However, Uriah slept at the palace entrance with all his masters servants. Bathsheba had been married before she married David and she is the mother of While puberty could occur at such an early age, it is unlikely. However, that is, Perhaps Eliam the son of Ahithophel the Gilonite is different from Eliam, the father of Bathsheba.. The answer comes from Psalm 55:23 (emphasis ours): But you, God, will bring down the wicked into the pit of decay; the bloodthirsty and deceitful will not live out half their days. [48] http://blb-ra.blueletterbible.org/mcgee_j_vernon/Psa/19134_Psalm_55_1-5.mp3 (mark 1:45). [61], Thus, it is reasonable to conclude that Ahithophel must have died at a relatively young age. Bathsheba was described as having as Bathsheba was described as having met King David after stepping out of the bath. Eliam. Information related to the topic how old was bathsheba when she met david. Married the daughter of Eliam (2 Samuel 11:3), who was the son of Ahithophel (2 Samuel 23:34). [1] In this follow-up article, I will present powerful evidence that will silence the rabid Christians who criticize Muhammads marriage to Aisha, inshaAllah. [78] Finally, in Acts 13:22, God is quoted as testifying about David as a man after my own heart. WebBathsheba was probably minding her own business when David's eyes spied her and what he saw he wanted. Furthermore, God approved of David remaining married to Bathsheba, which resulted in the birth of Solomon, whom God loved. [62] Later, Ahithophel was with Absalom in Jerusalem. Furthermore, God approved of David remaining married to Bathsheba, which resulted in the birth of Solomon, whom God loved. These include Adam Clarke,[56] Matthew Henry,[57] Joseph Caryl,[58] Henry Hammond,[59] and Griffith Williams. Add an answer. The recorded events of Davids life after his misconduct with Bathsheba cannot have occupied less than about twenty years; that is, he cannot have been at the time older than about fifty years. You Muslims believe Muhammad is a role model for all times!, In my view, we should leave it to the experts (e.g., physicians and psychologists) to determine what is an appropriate age for maturity, if there is one. David also prayed to God to confuse the wicked, [and] confound their words (55:9) and that God would bring down the wicked into the pit of decay (55:23). Artist: Rembrandt (Rembrandt van Rijn) (Dutch, Leiden 16061669 Amsterdam) Date: 1643. Also already taken care of. David was sinful because he had taken another mans wife, not that he had slept with a 7-year old. He states that: an arbitrary age cutoff necessarily allows incompetent people to gain rights and privileges they probably shouldnt have.[101]. He [David] now remembers that, at the heart of Absaloms rebellion, giving it direction and force, indeed making it possible, is Ahithophel., [33] https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/spurgeon_charles/tod/ps055.cfm?a=533001, It would be idle to fix a time, and find an occasion for this Psalm with any dogmatism. Grants Commentary on the Bible,[23] Alexander McLarens Expositions of Holy Scripture,[24] R.A Torreys Treasury of Scripture Knowledge,[25] The Biblical Illustrator,[26] and The Pulpit Commentary.[27]. The traditional ascription to David cannot on any ground be maintained. So, either way, it seems that the name in 1 Chronicles 11:36 was a textual corruption, and thus, unreliable. In addition, Gills Exposition of the Entire Bible explains, based on the Talmudic interpretation, that (emphasis ours): bloody and deceitful mendo not come up to the half of the ordinary term of mans life, which is threescore years and ten.[54], Heb. I believe that you have misunderstood my comment. One night in Jerusalem, King David was walking upon his rooftop when he spotted a beautiful woman bathing nearby (2 Samuel 11:2). 2. [] This was also based on the Prophets marriage to Aisha. [68] Sanhedrin 69b, https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.69b.11?lang=bi. Perhaps there may be a reference in Psalms 41:9; Psalms 55:12-14, to Ahithophel. [4] Sanhedrin 69b, https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.69b.11?lang=bi. This is not a matter of controversy. WebIt means that Bathsheba grew up around the palace of David. He didnt lure her. I have also 100% debunked the claim that Allah is Best Deceiver and I have provided historical facts and grammar facts for kharul Makereen and I have explained more and made it very clear. Yes, David must have been in his late 30s to his early 40s and Bathsheba would have been young but of age, not an adolescent. Regardless, most sources reasonably identify the two Eliams as the same person, including, There is simply no reason to make assume otherwise, other than to avoid the embarrassment of finding out Bathshebas true age. Just doing my small part, bro. These include Adam Clarke. Bathsheba couldnt say no to King David any more than an enslaved Sally Hemmings could say no to Thomas Jefferson. another great academic article. This is where Psalm 55 comes in. Not only was this marriage permitted, it resulted in the birth of yet another beloved figure, Solomon. It is not known how old David was when he met Bathsheba. Dimensions: 22 1/2 x 30 in. No, Jesus was not the first son of David and Bathsheba. Thus, it was not child marriage at the time since maturity tended to occur much earlier than it does now. Bathsheba would have been between 16 and 19, because she was doing the ritual bath outlined in Leviticus 15::19-30 for women who have their period already (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+15%3A19-30&version=NIV). 54, or of Davids being shut up in Keilah in the time of Saul (1 Sam. You are committing a tu quoque fallacy!, an informal fallacy that intends to discredit the opponents argument by asserting the opponents failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s)., Thus, when Christians say that Muhammads (peace be upon him) marriage to Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was immoral, and if Muslims were to respond by saying well, the Biblical figures married young girls too, so they are also immoral, that would be a tu quoque fallacy. A minority of scholars questioned the application of the psalm to Ahithophel. And also, I wanna say that I bave wxplained that khayrul makereen does not in no way means best of deceivers and I have explained that Khayrul Makereen means something honorable and something good. But as for me, I trust in you.. Other commentators also explain the verse this way. Dr. J. Vernon McGee, in a commentary he gave on Thru the Bible Radio, also identified the betrayal by Ahithophel as the subject of the psalm,[48] and so does Eastons Bible Dictionary (among many others). Great. And Im about to make articles as a form of ultimate refutations to your silly allegations. Less than eight years old. She was eight when she had her first child. (Talmud Tractate Sanhedrin 69b). It should also be pointed out that there is no indication that Bathshebas marriage to either Uriah or David was seen as abnormal or immoral. And one said, Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite? So David sent messengers and took her, and she came to him, and he lay with her. The Bible does not mention this, so we have to do some thinking. Deuteronomy 24:5 says If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or In a previous article, I demonstrated that the Bible generally allowed marriage and sex at the onset of puberty (with the exception of Numbers 31:18 which seemingly allowed sex even before puberty). I (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Kregel Publications, 1988), p. 439. He also gives 3 main reasons why it is not recommended to set a certain cutoff for basic rights, these being: This is more or less how medieval Islamic scholars dealt with the issue. (2Samuel 16:23) (B.C. This is where Psalm 55 comes in. 25. hmm wasnt Bathsheba married before she was pregnant with Solomon and also didnt she also lose a child before giving birth to Solomon I mean come on abduls Yes, we do believe that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is a role-model for all times. This elite group also included Uriah the Hittite (v. 39). Medium: Oil on wood. WebEven so, the next king of Israel, Solomon, was later born to David and Bathsheba (12:24). King David Create. There is no reason to interpret the verse allegorically. In response, God warns through Samuel the prophet that kings are takers. This directly contradicts the account in 2 Samuel 17. (2Samuel 16:23), So, if Ahithophel was less than 40 years of age at the time of his death (let us conservatively assume he was. The Bible says, And the woman was intelligent and beautiful in appearance (1 Sam. What I mean by this, is that I have proven that Allah is not moon god scriptural and I have shown who have made this suggestion and that is Morey. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. Thus, the Talmud sages did not left out the 4 years that went by between Absalom and Davids reconciliation and the beginning of Absaloms revolt. 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