Leviticus 26:18-20 And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. He says that He visits the iniquity upon them. I dont think it was a matter of God allowing the Gibeonites to put to death Sauls sons. He was setting us an example of what we should be doing in a spiritual sense. It is after Absalom's rebellion. Who are the twenty four elders that John foresaw? What I am trying to show you by going through these different places is that there is plenty of law that King David could have looked back on. It is not genetic. Why so? What have they done? "No, we don't do things like that in Israel. I will do it." Just tell me and I will do it for you.. He made huge errors in judgment, both personally and in a larger sense. There is no record in the Bible of Saul killing Gibeonites. He just let them walk all over him. And they took old sacks on their donkeys, old wineskins torn and mended, old and patched sandals on their feet, and old garments on themselves; and all the bread of their provision was dry and moldy. However, there was not. One is God's judgment upon the actual person for the actual sin; the other is God's punishment that He has automatically put into the law that allows the effects to last for a few generations. Good question. A snare is a trap. So, he spared Agag, and he spared a lot of the good stuff. Deuteronomy 21:22-23 If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God. This cultural trait makes it difficult for many people to identify with Jesus Christ. WebThe Lord answered, Saul and his family of murderers are the reason for this shortage, because he killed the Gibeonites. 2 Samuel 21:1 American Standard Version (ASV) 1 And there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David sought the face of Jehovah. There were no cell phones. He just let matters continue naturally and let it rub in for another six or seven months. He gives them exactly what they want, and look at what happens. Why did God allow the Gibeonites to put to death seven of Sauls sons? By this time, Moses had died and was buried. The last time Saul did swear not to kill David, Saul swore "by YHWH" not to kill david he broke it many times over since. Spiritual Strongholds (Part Two): Faithful Trust. How does this all connect with Ezekiel chapter 18? II Samuel 21:10-11 Now Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth and spread it for herself on the rock, from the beginning of harvest until the late rains poured on them from heaven. How do other hominoids (e.g homo erectus, homo neanderthalensis, etc.) He needed God to forgive him. Also David seems to have only spared Mephibosheth only because he made an oath, and not for the fact that he was only five years old and did not participate in killing the Gibeonites? "We don't want any money, for sure not Saul's money. This is like offering them reparations for what Saul had done, and they replied that it was not good enough. We do not know how long before II Samuel 21 this incident happened. So he said, "Whatever you say, I will do for you." Share Perhaps trickery will be better than war for us.". One of them toward the end of this list is King David. He asked me, "How does this incident square with what God says in Ezekiel 18:19-20?". Joshua kept his word to the Gibeonites even when it was inconvenient. 2 Samuel 21:2 At this, David summoned the Gibeonites and spoke to them. There are so many things I have got to do.". For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. The rest of the Canaanites resented the defection of the Hivites which so greatly weakened the forces for defense, and, headed by Adoni-zedek of Jerusalem, they assembled to wreak vengeance on Gibeon. Webzeal of king Saul - who was a Benjaminite - against the Gibeonites. The choice by Adam and Eve in the garden was a sin, and they paid for it through death. There is a very important difference. I think he was very low. It is very clear, and very simplejust two little verses. ", Or even after two years. He keeps his word even to his own disadvantage and does not change it [for his own benefit] (Psalm 15:1, 4; AMP). Psalm 34:4-10 I sought the LORD, and He heard me, and delivered me from all my fears. God is warning here that sin has consequences. It did not come the next week, or the next month, or the month after that, all through the summer and into the fall holy days. Jonathan. Completely ignoring God's explicit command to spare the Gibeonites, Saul decreed it was time to remove them completely by exterminating them. They were going to come in there and just exterminate. After 7-10 years of war, David has solidified his empire Mar 2, 2022. Vote Up God has torn the kingdom from you. Leviticus 26:3-4 If you walk in My statutes and keep My commandments, and perform them, then I will give you rain in its season, the land shall yield its produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. Even though the avenger of blood could kill the person if he caught him before he arrived at the city of refugewhat this verse is saying, here, is that if the nation follows through, and enlarges the lands by obeying God, He will designate more cities of refuge so that they are closer. WebAnd the Lord answered, Saul and his family of murderers are the reason for the famine, because he killed the Gibeonites. 2 (The Gibeonites were not Israelites. He was distracted by the cares of this world, by the pulls of this, that, and the other thing, and so he gives in and compromises with the people of the land. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. Then they went back and took Ai. 20, and still another between Saul and David in 1 Samuel 24. Why are they where they were? King David was perhaps the only converted person in the entire nationmaybe besides the high priest of the time, but we do not know. I think he was distracted because the turmoil had taken such a toll on Israel, and the famine too, that he was worried about the economy, rebuilding cities and fortifications, and his alliances with Hiram and others. Israel had to live with those consequences for years to come. He was humble and relied on God, and was granted many victories over Israels enemies. Things started to go downhill over time however, as Saul became presumptuous and arrogant; he ignored several direct commands of God, and the last straw came when he interfered in offering a sacrifice to God, in direct contravention of what hed been told to do. However, the Gibeonites did. We can't withstand them. Why was David so loyal to Saul after everything Saul had done to him? lorraine goode. Now it came to pass, when Adonizedec king of Now if the LORD your God enlarges your territory, as He swore to your fathers, and gives you the land which He promised to give to your fathers, and if you keep all these commandments and do them, which I command you today, to love the LORD your God and to walk always in His ways, then you shall add three more cities for yourself besides these three, lest innocent blood be shed in the midst of your land which the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, and thus guilt of bloodshed be upon you. A little further down, we read: II Samuel 21:2 . Eisenhower was still in office. It shows you just how far things had sunk in the land. In Rizpahs case, her husband, King Saul, broke his promise that the Israelites would spare the Gibeonites in battle; he ordered the Israelites to annihilate them. But that conclusion is a bit too sanguine once you begin to look into that which is not said, or what is said elsewhere. But talk about your flawed heroes! THE STORY OF THE GIBEONITES - So Joshua made peace with them, and made a covenant with them to let them live; and the rulers of the congregation swore to them. It was as if David earlier said, "Let's just get this out of the way. When God called Saul to be king, Israel was on the verge of collapse. During the time of the judges, the Israelites had repeatedly turned away, lea He was the king. Or as the Gibeonites said Saul consumed them and tried to destroy them a people Israel had entered into a covenant with 400 years earlier. This does not make any sense. King Saul later broke the treaty that Joshua had signed and attacked the Gibeonites. Later still, during the time of King David, a famine occurred in Israel. When David asked the Lord about the famine, God said, It is on account of Saul and his blood-stained house; it is because he put the Gibeonites to death (2 Samuel 21:1). We do know the Gibeonites were cutters of wood and drawers of water for the altar of God the tabernacle was at Gibeon. In effect, what they wanted to do was hang the bodies of Saul's family in Saul's hometown in sight of Jerusalem. Then there are things of degeneracy. Moreover you shall take no ransom for the life of a murderer who is guilty of death, but he shall surely be put to death [he cannot buy his way out]. They did not inquire. It was certainly alive and well in Israel. He just let the natural cycles take their course. WebThis points to their employment in the sanctuary; and possibly may shed some light on the massacre of the Gibeonites by Saul (2 Samuel 21:1). He had a body of law that he could have referred back to and come up with a solution. So they performed all that the king commanded. Lets read about David avenging the Gibeonites in 2 Samuel 21:1-14: 1 Now there was a famine in the days of David for three years, year after year. There is another thing that needs to be thrown out there as a possible scenario, and this would have been the very worst and lowest that David could have sunk to. Obviously, having seen what happened to Jericho and Ai, they knew God and Israel were serious. That would be a town in Benjamin just north of Jerusalem. WebThe Philistines decided not to attack D. God gave Saul three options to choose from as he went out against the Philistines. Yet, the Bible specifically says in Hebrews 4:15 that He was without sin. And it would have been done quickly and easily. You are getting later and later in David's life here. Instead, David brings back twice as many. Turn to Exodus 20 and see that right in the Ten Commandments it sounds like it could mean that sin does travel down the family tree. He came at this as though he were guilty with Saul; that all Israelites were guilty with Saul and his house. It comes as a snare, Christ says, on everybody. (Matthew 14:1921). He was distracted. They were the five sons of Merab, Saul's daughter. LAMECH: FALL OUT FROM POLYGAMY; God sees behind the scenes. [And the answer is] Because the son has done what is lawful and right, and has kept all My statutes and observed them, he shall surely live. And David was told what Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, the concubine of Saul, had done. Saul and the Pharisees persecuted and killed the Christians, The sons of King Saul were killed as a result of this attempted genocide, The non-Christian inhabitants of Jerusalem were destroyed in AD70 Gods judgment on them for murdering his son and doubtless, the early Christians. That would be such a carnal thing to dojust let the Gibeonites kill seven of Saul's kids who could claim the Israelite throne and get them out of the way. Up and down your family tree, sin does not go. A good answer provides new insight and perspective. Their representatives were not up front with the Israeli leaders. You're out of here!". I haven't been keeping up on things. Therefore David said to the Gibeonites, "What shall I do for you? He could have done whatever he wanted. Christ says, Luke 21:34-35 "But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. During the time of the judges, the Israelites had repeatedly turned away, leaving them corrupt and faithless. The Gibeonites have the dubious distinction of having duped Joshua and the elders of Israel. As we get to about verse 32 in Hebrews 11, Paul says that he does not have time to get to all the other heroes of faith that the Bible gives us. Oh, fear the LORD, you His saints! WebSaul kills the gentile Gibeonites (2 Sam 21) & banishes mediums in preparation for Tabernacle being moved from Nob to Gibeon. There was justice that was going to take place. It does not matter. And after that God heeded the prayer for the land. Even their empty wine skins were completely dried up and cracked. God required atonement to be made. It does not seem to me that during this time of the three years of famine David was emulating the attitude that he wrote about in Psalm 34. Perhaps the Scriptures are contrasting the faithless actions of Saul and his house in regard to the covenant with the Gibeonites, with the faithful actions of David in regard to the covenant with Jonathan. Back to the Gibeonitesmost people probably did not remember it. (1) A three-year famine prompts David to seek God. Psalm 34:17-18 The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears, and delivers them out of all their troubles. Those who believe that they can outsmart, outflank or in any way outmaneuver our Enemy through cerebral strategies are doomed to the slavery and destruction heaped upon Saul and the Gibeonites. This is in the second commandment. The prophet Zechariah asks a question that is forever pertinent to all spiritual considerations and decisions: "For who hath despised the day of small things?" This was history now. I do not know if that was the case, but he had just gone through Absalom's rebellion, and Sheba's rebellion, and maybe he allowed that to cross his mind too. We want them to reflect what a real person would do in extreme or extraordinary circumstances. In fact, it can be read as if David approached it as only a minor administrative matter. They agree to the death of seven of Saul's descendants. We do not know when it happened. I think he was distracted by all the cares of his office of being king. Then they replied, It was Saul who planned to destroy us, to keep us from having any place at all in Israel. Probably what happened was that they put them on the top of the hill at Gibeah, so that God in the Tabernacle could "see" the execution being done. We have examples of where that has happened, but he did not do that this time. King David came at it from a position of weakness, not of one who knew God's law and could answer these people from spiritual strength. And these men, they need to be buried. Report, August 29 2022 WebSaul slew the Gibeonites, not simply as the son of Kish, but as the king of Israel, and therefore involved all Israel with him in the violation of the national oath; and hence, until the evil should be put away by the execution of the immediate offender or his representatives, all Israel must suffer. A lot can happen in two years. How many rebellions were there? "There's something rotten in Denmark," as the saying goes. There is no indication in II Samuel 21 that David got advice from any of his ministers about how to deal with this situation. The Gibeonites joined in the fight against the Philistines B. This incident of the famine took place rather late in David's life. They are two separate things. Numbers 35:29-33 And these things shall be a statute of judgment to you throughout your generations in all your dwellings. WebWhen Sauls agents came up, she pretended that David was ill and placed a household idol and a net of goats hair in his bed, as if her husband were still lying there (vv. That is not what it says here. We would like to make a covenant with you.". Joshua 9:14-16 Then the men of Israel took some of their provisions; but they did not ask counsel of the LORD. And the king said, "I will give them.". You might say a whole cycle of generations. By this time, having fought all his life since he was a teenagerup against Goliath when he was eighteen or soand here he was approaching 70 years old, and he was tired. Jeiel, Sauls great-grandfather, was the progenitor of the Gibeonites ( 1 Chron 8:29-33; 9:35-39 ), so Saul slaughtered his own relatives! The verb is used in this sense with respect to Joshua's action toward the Gibeonites in Joshua 9:27, where cultic servitude is involved ("for the altar of the Lord"). He is able to judge justly. Now, we move forward, not very long in time, to Joshua 9. The Lord told them they had made a commitment to these people and they had to stand by it. SERIES INTRODUCTION ", So David went out and said, "There are some things that have needed to be done. As mentioned earlier, there was the rebellion of Absalom. That is the background on the Gibeonites, and their relationship with Israel. Saul also had sound state reasons for his action, for the Gibeonites were occupying an enclave in the very We have all followed in the same way of life as our first parents Adam and Eve. But Joshua had the final decision. Evidently, he thought that he could win back his kingdom if he zealously did God's will. The two hints are that Saul and his house had a reputation for violence"Saul and his bloodthirsty house." But the consequences of their sinswhat it means to us; what happened because of their sinstill affects us today. 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