still i would rather see arsenal win da thing ahead of city, chelsea or united. Just to highlight how few games Liverpool have played further: Manchester City: 54 games As players, we werent directly involved in what happened, but we were still representing Liverpool Football Club. From a selfish point of view, we knew where our family and friends were all sat and had identified they were safe. IBT UK Morning Brief - Let the best of International News come to you. sort of ceremonial blessing, like a minutes silence. Justice for Heysel? British football fans had earned quite a sorry reputation at home and abroad. Then we just walked out on to the pitch and wiped everything else from our minds. pascal wager: definitive edition. Yeah the attack on bloke in a bar was terrible and really brought him down in my estimates. I mean, he did run a kid over.. he didnt mean to, but he did. Incredible insensitivity from the club (and the parades organisers). Shocking and accurate. As someone who attended Heysel with my dad, there are one or two omissions in Olivers wonderful piece. Chelsea: 52 Shortly before the match began between. Chelsea are the big club in London now, Nice to hear Liverpool respecting other disasters like the Bradford Fire at the weekend by not even acknowledging it.touch of class as usual from self pity city, I have reazd a lot valuable articles ere. Categories . housing authority inspection checklist. Firstly, this myth has been mooted by pundits and press men. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Sadly, this is a poorly argued (and clearly prejudiced) article. A really sensitive and wholesome piece of writing. I found this article very informative and brilliantly written, as well as the comments (apart from that last one)! A kid running into the side of Gerrards car and a bar fight hardly make him the Scouse John Terry. Something went wrong, please try again later. Just as any set of English fans could have been the victims at Hillsborough, any set of English fans could have been the perpetrators at Heysel. 0 items. Liverpool: 40. If you have something to say about people look them in the eye and do it, or youre chicken shit. In the end, Joe Fagan, our manager, stopped people from entering the dressing room and kept the players inside. Lets see how they perform next year when they have to play twice a week. I also heard about one City coach having windows put through, I was very sad to read that. Having read this and an article by Tony Evans (which this seems to draw from) it seems to contrast with the article from TTT above which largely focuses away from the fans and points to the authorities. If you think police doctoring paperwork and giving false evidence, killed the 96 then you are more stupid than I thought. 4. On one infamous occasion at Goodison Park in 2008, the away fans responded by singing 2-0 to the Murderers. Despite having not won the league for 23 years, their gloating is intolerable, and were they to win the league, it would only get worse. I am not sure there is a biased viewpoint from former Liverpool player pundits, the most biased were John Aldridge and Phil Thompson. @Bob I agree it reads like a hatchet job, but it is nonetheless all factual OR AT LEAST very reliably sourced, isnt it? Liverpool is the city of pity. Both Liverpool and Juventus as a mark of respect for the victims should do some Some people were coming in saying people had died, others were popping in with different messages. And its a joke, that liverpool are trying to intimate that this has been done on a shoestring!! WORK. The true supporters like myself are equally appalled as you are at what happened at Heysel, and any act of violence for that matter, and yes weve had a handful of idiots causing trouble which has let the club and its supporters down, like the recent celebration night with a handful of melon heads spoiling it in the city centre, I dont recall any trouble when we won Ole Big Ears last season or when over 2,500 gathered to cheer the team after Istanbul. Ever. Of the hundreds of Liverpool fans who joined the stampede, only a handful were punished. Every club throughout the Premier League will have their own stories of too many Liverpool fans turning up, fake tickets, and the lack of concern many Scousers have for their own fans safety. Can all liverpool fans who climbed over walls, barged there way past police and forced their way into Hillsborough, please hand yourself in to police. An error has occurred; the feed is probably down. After leaving the Vatican we went for a pint in a nearby bar, there appeared to be good banter with some Roma fans but then armed Police arrived and started pointing guns towards Liverpool fans, me and my mate gave it toes and hid in the bog inside the bar. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Guess there is always a stupid cunt in each organisations support. I knew about the ambulance too, shocking behavior but surely not isolated more to do with a high profile game. The game should never have taken place. as a liverpool fan i found this article linked in newsnow and cant help but feel embarrassed for the decent arsenal fans out there. He was far too passive. Irrelevant. Heysel: May 29th 1985 On May 29, 1985, defending European Champions Liverpool and Cup Winners Cup holders Juventus were to meet at the Heysel Stadium, Brussels, in the 30th European Cup Final. No? A memorial and a greater openness about the disaster is needed. In The Truths of Heysel a book written by Andrea Lorentini, whose father Roberto died in Brussels and whose grandfather Otello has led the campaign for the victims to be officially recognised by the club writes of the bewilderment, reticence, guilty silences and suspicion the bereaved have faced in their dealings with Juventus. More LFC fans like this please! But it is not honoured. eventhough im not liverpool fan, i really want them to win it cuz they play beautiful football and its a joy to watch. Liverpool have got lucky this year, Brendan Rodgers has got lucky this year. It really pisses you off that were going to win it this year, doesnt it? Fact. We made our thoughts known. As it is apologetic, on aniverserys. Nice men then. Liverpool had gambled on my fitness by starting me in the match as Id dislocated my shoulder two times previously that season, the most recent of which was only a fortnight earlier. Happy for a fellow human being to be banged up abroad whilst he sits in Liverpool, probably still going to games, without a care in the world. In the last accounts, Liverpool lost 50 million. Pingback: David Moyes and the implications for Arsenal | She Wore A Yellow Ribbon. Why do the club's fans sing about the 96, but not about the 39? They do at least now have a memorial plaque at Anfield, they do have extensive coverage of the tragedy on their official website and they do pay tribute on May 30 every year, even if it took far too long for the club to recognise the tragedy and the stain it had left not unlike Sheffield Wednesday with Hillsborough, although the circumstances there involved appalling failures at executive level. I was there along with my brothers.. Not only did we see no riots, but the reported overcrowding was a lie as well as we had 2 seats each, which we stood up on for the whole game.Total bullshit all of these claims. I think you will find that the eternal flames either side of Liverbird are a sign of respect for families of the 96. :(. It has come from the likes of Jamie Carragher, Alan Hansen, Mark Lawrenson, Graeme Souness and Jamie Redknapp. Yet there was no minute's silence for Heysel during the final round of Premier League games last weekend, or the play-off finals. Ours were certainly not checked. 14 Liverpool fans got jailed for a whopping 18.months and just one month before the . The Kop sing hes big and f***in hard, mmm is that why he kicked off on one block in front of all his mates. October 20, 2021. Little wonder then that 12 months later at Heysel Liverpool fans were packed cheek by jowl with Juventus fans trouble was bound to occur. A total of 14 fans were found guilty of manslaughter, and given three-year suspended sentences. Ciao, scrivo dallItalia. Were they listening in Turin? Even as a Liverpool fan that pisses me off. They are battling against the evil forces of Russian Oligarchsand Middle Eastern Oil men. Obviously not uncommon at footy games but considering the occasion shocking. what would you have done? OOPS What happenned there then??? Arsenal: 52 It seems to a Scouser, it is more important to see a game of football then be an honest, upstanding citizen. Then he insisted we played the game. In 1989, after a five-month trial in Brussels, 14 of the 26 Liverpool supporters who stood trial were found guilty of involuntary manslaughter and given a three-year prison sentence, suspended for 18 months, and each ended up serving about a year in total in behind bars. Liverpool and their supporters were left to live with what they know, 27 years later, to be an indelible stain. Go on to the Italian clubs official website in search of a tribute and you will struggle to find anything beyond 106 words within a 645-word article called Juventus wins everything, a tribute to their successes in the 1970s and 1980s. And they were only doing what all other English supporters were doing at that time rampaging across foreign fields and intimidating perceived enemies whenever they got the chance. Well that went well Bob! This is progress. 'I was given an armed guard for my own safety in hospital and the game should never have been played', Follow the latest transfer news and more with our LFC newsletter. Of the clubs first European Cup triumph in 1985, it says: The long-awaited success in Europe s highest accolade was tainted with sadness Something unexplainable happened . Some tried to climb a wall to escape. On May 29th 1985, 39 people died in the Heysel Stadium after Liverpool fans charged at a wall which collapsed. @tom, yep no doubt he wanted to leave and of course plenty of rumours, unqualified accounts if why. To be honest my mate a Spurs fan directed me to this site, I wasnt aware of any ill feeling from Arsenal fans towards us. Why aren't Liverpool's huge Catholic community holding their own mass? But 10 against 1 is the act of a coward regardless of what word were spoken. For a long time, with so little other information, those images allowed me to let myself believe the poor fan behaviour was from both sides and the tragedy could just as easily have befallen Liverpool fans. CTID. You will have to do an archive search to find anything more than that specifically a couple of news articles on the anniversary. These Liverpool fans got English football banned from Europe for 6 years after their behaviour caused the death of 39 Juventus fans at Heysel. Its weird that a tragedy like this, at a televised showcase final is so under-reported and unexamined. The article has the class of a Chelski fan. Is the articles editor saying that Gerrard got up one morning and thought? by The Anfield Wrap | May 29, 2013 | Featured Writing, Footie, Heysel, Hillsborough | 37 comments, NOW that the lies, the smears and cruel myths about the Hillsborough disaster have been exposed once and for all, those who clung to them out of warped tribalism have but one straw left to clutch. I am not familiar with this chaps comments (Liverpool do it the right way) we have spent a lot of money and do little, but when it comes to finding little gems Brendan has done well. I was taken there and operated on while still in my kit red shirt, shorts, socks, the boots, the whole shebang. I could say Chelsea practically bought their champions League and Premier League successes. There seems to have been many factors involved and Liverpool fans do need to accept their share of responsibility. They controbuted to manslaughter, and LFC were responsible for the 5 year ban which badly hit English clubs. It's odd that the one common factor with two of the worst disasters in football - Heysel and Hillsborough - is that Liverpool fans were involved. This prick needs to read a lot more about Heysel. Huge success at home and abroad allowed Liverpool to compete for top players. It seems difficult for the modern day football fan to understand, but hooliganism in those days was sadly normal. Great article, if you want to read more indepth articles on someone who was actually there visit: Scousers rule the world. There are however too many ex Liverpool players on TV so this perhaps bigs up this chaps opinion. Why don't we remember the Juventus fans who never came home? Sure its been a long time since we won the league, but Id like to think if we didnt win ANYTHING for nine years I wouldnt end up as butthurt as you obviously are. Id urge any Liverpool fan to just drop by any Juve forum from time to time and offer a conciliatory post or two. Thank you for writing this piece about like you say, such a taboo subject. im going to run a kid over. Acting as if they have got where they are based on youth and spending little is a false statement. The end of MrDT should also spell the end for AFTV, She Wore A Yellow Ribbon, The Arsenal's Wembley Song, The three Hale End boys ready to step up to the Arsenal first team in 2023, Royal Mail agree to Arsenal postcode change, MATCH REPORT: Leicester City 0 - 1 Arsenal. This got me thinking, as I am only 23 myself, to read into the Heysel disaster a bit more as it isnt covered widely by the media at all and you dont really hear about it until that day in May arrives. Never handed in my ticket. There is an opportunity albeit a further year down the line next May on the unbelievably 30th anniversary I really hope we mobilise to do somethings genuine and large. Perhaps, I thought, a befitting gesture could be made by the club to recognise and reflect this disaster. Within hours the FA, under pressure from the government, announced that no English club would play in the following seasons Uefa competition and that of course included Everton, denied a tilt at the European Cup, and Norwich City, denied a first ever European campaign. And who can forget the Michael Shields incident. He made fundamental errors, Pierre Verlynde, the judge, said. Anyway Ive a match to be heading to and early train with a load of Chelsea rent boys. NO, because it would highlight the hypocrisy of the city, and the club! As Tony Evans, football editor of The Times and author of Far Foreign Land, a brilliant book about his experiences following Liverpool at Heysel and all over Europe, put it: It was a red herring. The second: it was English supporters who were responsible. And lets look at expenditure over the last 5 years: Man City: 512m Learn how your comment data is processed. . These Liverpool fans robbed off their own in Istanbul. What respect the Liverpool fans have for their fellow fans. And yet he didnt, and I wont even waste time with the oft-circulated rumours as to why he didnt, but LFC fans just treat it like it never happened. Its condemnation not condonement would be a start. Hey did you know that Arsenal havent even won the European Cup? It ended up at five years, with Liverpool serving a sixth as punishment for their supporters behaviour at Heysel. you had ur usual arse collapse.25 years and counting.. Justice for the 96?.ok lets get some. You are as likely to come across debates about how the Juve team celebrated and how the club has done little to commemorate Heysel than you are about the evil of English fans. Do they talk about this at their annual hillsborough services? The seeds of Heysel were sown 12 months earlier in Rome when Liverpool fans were subjected to vicious attacks by Italians with no intervention from the Italian police, more than 40 liverpool fans were seriously injured (mostly stabbings) yet UEFA took no action against Roma. By this stage, English supporters were regarded across Europe as such animals that shock was expressed at how the authorities had played into their hands. A private ceremony has taken place at Anfield, and the FA, to its credit, proposed a tribute when England played in Turin in March (the suggestion was turned down by their Italian counterparts). having dislike is one thing, but what brings hate to these. 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